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Sep 28, 2011, 5:44 pm
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Sep 28, 2011, 1:27 pm
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Sep 28, 2011, 3:04 pm
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Sep 28, 2011, 11:58 am
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Sep 28, 2011, 12:43 pm
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Sep 28, 2011, 12:04 pm
I just did a little research.

An average can of chewing tobacco is 3.4% nicotine.� For 1 ounce of chewing tobacco (or 1 entire can of shit), that is approximately 964 mg of nicotine.

If you chewed a quarter of a can a day (2 cans a week), that's 241 milligrams of nicotine a day.� That breaks down to 120 pieces of gum a day at that level.� If you split that quarter of a can into 8 small chews, that is approximately 15 pieces of gum per timy chew from the can.

Here's the other issue:� that 170 count box of gum contains 340 mg of nicotine.� This is approximately 35% of the amount of tobacco in a can of chew for $42 more!� It would take 482 pieces of gum to equal one can of chewing tobacco!!� That is now $115.68 you have paid for the same amount of nicotine you were buying before for $5!!!

Why would you torture yourself by limiting your body to just enough nicotine to keep you addicted, but not enough to satisfy one craving?� That's insane.� I know nicorette has effective marketing, but this quit procedure does not work.� How can just enough nicotine to keep you addicted make your quit suck less??� Look at the numbers.� It is a mentality that may be keeping the chew out of your lip, not some overpriced inneffective piece of poison.� I've done the "1 chew a day" thing too.� I ended up playing "how much can I stuff in my face at one time" game.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO SELL YOU SOMETHING.� WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU.� WE HAVE ONE PRICE FOR OUR SERVICE:� QUIT.

If you pull the bandaid off now, it will take 3 days for that shit to be out of your system.� You can do this now, or you can do this in 8 weeks.� Either way, you still have to step off the ledge sometime. Then, instead of having to pay $47 for a 170 count box of gum, you can pay $.05 ($8.50 for a 170 count bucket) for a piece of bazooka and you get an awesome little comic (with each one!!) to go with it.

Skyhook, we've all held onto crutches here.� We aren't going to be mean if you grow a pair and decide to quit.� We've all been there.� We know what you're going through, what you will go through, and we can advise you what's worked for us.� Do you really want to put all your eggs into 1 coach's basket, or take a chance with thousands?

PS Doesn't that nicotine gum taste like pre-chewed wintergreen gum?� The thought of chewing it again disgusts me and I haven't had it since 2004.

Ummm WP,

Your numbers are so far off I got a chuckle out of it. I know what your intentions were but you used the % nicotine by dry weight. Since tobacco is almost 50% moist in the can you didn't account for that.

You need to look at how many MG per gram or mg/g. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4819a3.htm

On that list Skoal measured an 11 mg/g as the highest. So at 34g per can of chew you are looking at 374 mg per can.


I will let you take it from there but the above numbers are correct.

Yeah, after I posted that I started doing the research.

I realized how duplicite the tobacco companies are, and why we all run in circles looking for some sort of sanity in our quits. I was so quick to run with the stat of chewing tobacco being 3.3% nicotine. Glad I made ya laugh.

I discovered it when I was trying to create a chart trying to get the equivalent chew to cigarette to gum ratio. I was way off there, and have been researching it since.

I ended up running with the old 1 can of chewing tobacco equals 60 cigarettes (as I found quoted in many quitting websites). Each cigarette is approximately 1-1.5 mg of nicotine (as I found at Nicorette and quitting websites). This is the only way to make the numbers aline. Some places said that a 2 can a week addiction equals a pack and a half a day of cigarettes.

I found out that 11 pieces of 2 mg gum equals a quarter of a can of chew (or 15 cigarettes). Unfortunately, this makes the total nicotine in the can 90 mg, so the numbers are skewed again. If I go with 34 mg per can, that makes the 11 pieces of gum equivalent to two-thirds of a can (or 15 cigarettes in this instance).

:wacko:

I've gone cross eyed.

'help'

My stupidity

I say we pick 10 fog-tards and assign them the math as homework, we'd never get a correct answer but I bet we'd get a shit ton of laughs.

Yeah, if it helps you out in your quit then go for it but you are over thinking this WAY too much.

In the popular brands skoal, grizzly, cope, kodiak... there are 34g per can. In each gram there is between 7-11 mg of nicotine and a lot of variable in between. You don't need any other numbers than what I gave you to figure out your calculations. You have some crazy thing going with percentages that means nothing in terms of finding out how much dip is equal to cigs or gum.

Lets go by rough averages: 1.5 mg in a cigarette x20= 30mg per pack

Dip 9mg per gram= 34x9 = 306 mg per can.

HOWEVER,

Cigarettes are normally rated through a system where a machine "inhales" them and the contents are then analyzed. A lot of the nicotine is lost and not accounted for. Just as in a dip, no all of that nicotine gets absorbed, in fact, most of it does not because not all of it gets pulled out and put in the blood stream. I have heard that cigarettes contain near 5mg but only a small portion of that makes it to the blood stream.

So again your numbers are never going to be consistent as the amount of time in the mouth, the amount of saliva, and all sorts of things are taken in to account.

Don't beat yourself up over it. A dipper is going to get about twice as much nicotine if usage is similar. Numbers just don't work when trying to compare this as too many other factors come in to play. You can however fairly accurately compare two dippers based on brand and quantity.

I am going to edit this in: http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/othe..._more_nicotine/

Notice they use the word "yield" in there. What that means is that is the actual nicotine content that was captured on a smoking machine. Again, the actual nicotine content in a cigarette is much higher but through many factors this is about what the user will get in the blood stream. I don't think it is possible for them to get a measure of what a dipper gets but I would suspect it would be some where in the 3-6 mg range per gram.

I think you fuckers have too much spare time.

I'm an engineer and a statistician, and even I'm not seeing the point of all this.

Here's a much simpler statistic for you. This guy in one of the cancer vids started dipping at 13, lost his jaw ENTIRELY to cancer when he was 17. Now he drinks all his meals. Milligrams this and cubic centimeters that. Nearly all of us have dipped longer than 4 years.

Again, for clarity. 4 years. 13 to 17. Cancer. No jaw.

Just quit.
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Sep 28, 2011, 11:32 pm
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Sep 28, 2011, 5:44 pm
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Sep 28, 2011, 1:27 pm
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Sep 28, 2011, 3:04 pm
wastepanel
Sep 28, 2011, 11:58 am
magnum9
Sep 28, 2011, 12:43 pm
wastepanel
Sep 28, 2011, 12:04 pm
I just did a little research.

An average can of chewing tobacco is 3.4% nicotine.� For 1 ounce of chewing tobacco (or 1 entire can of shit), that is approximately 964 mg of nicotine.

If you chewed a quarter of a can a day (2 cans a week), that's 241 milligrams of nicotine a day.� That breaks down to 120 pieces of gum a day at that level.� If you split that quarter of a can into 8 small chews, that is approximately 15 pieces of gum per timy chew from the can.

Here's the other issue:� that 170 count box of gum contains 340 mg of nicotine.� This is approximately 35% of the amount of tobacco in a can of chew for $42 more!� It would take 482 pieces of gum to equal one can of chewing tobacco!!� That is now $115.68 you have paid for the same amount of nicotine you were buying before for $5!!!

Why would you torture yourself by limiting your body to just enough nicotine to keep you addicted, but not enough to satisfy one craving?� That's insane.� I know nicorette has effective marketing, but this quit procedure does not work.� How can just enough nicotine to keep you addicted make your quit suck less??� Look at the numbers.� It is a mentality that may be keeping the chew out of your lip, not some overpriced inneffective piece of poison.� I've done the "1 chew a day" thing too.� I ended up playing "how much can I stuff in my face at one time" game.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO SELL YOU SOMETHING.� WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU.� WE HAVE ONE PRICE FOR OUR SERVICE:� QUIT.

If you pull the bandaid off now, it will take 3 days for that shit to be out of your system.� You can do this now, or you can do this in 8 weeks.� Either way, you still have to step off the ledge sometime. Then, instead of having to pay $47 for a 170 count box of gum, you can pay $.05 ($8.50 for a 170 count bucket) for a piece of bazooka and you get an awesome little comic (with each one!!) to go with it.

Skyhook, we've all held onto crutches here.� We aren't going to be mean if you grow a pair and decide to quit.� We've all been there.� We know what you're going through, what you will go through, and we can advise you what's worked for us.� Do you really want to put all your eggs into 1 coach's basket, or take a chance with thousands?

PS Doesn't that nicotine gum taste like pre-chewed wintergreen gum?� The thought of chewing it again disgusts me and I haven't had it since 2004.

Ummm WP,

Your numbers are so far off I got a chuckle out of it. I know what your intentions were but you used the % nicotine by dry weight. Since tobacco is almost 50% moist in the can you didn't account for that.

You need to look at how many MG per gram or mg/g. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4819a3.htm

On that list Skoal measured an 11 mg/g as the highest. So at 34g per can of chew you are looking at 374 mg per can.


I will let you take it from there but the above numbers are correct.

Yeah, after I posted that I started doing the research.

I realized how duplicite the tobacco companies are, and why we all run in circles looking for some sort of sanity in our quits. I was so quick to run with the stat of chewing tobacco being 3.3% nicotine. Glad I made ya laugh.

I discovered it when I was trying to create a chart trying to get the equivalent chew to cigarette to gum ratio. I was way off there, and have been researching it since.

I ended up running with the old 1 can of chewing tobacco equals 60 cigarettes (as I found quoted in many quitting websites). Each cigarette is approximately 1-1.5 mg of nicotine (as I found at Nicorette and quitting websites). This is the only way to make the numbers aline. Some places said that a 2 can a week addiction equals a pack and a half a day of cigarettes.

I found out that 11 pieces of 2 mg gum equals a quarter of a can of chew (or 15 cigarettes). Unfortunately, this makes the total nicotine in the can 90 mg, so the numbers are skewed again. If I go with 34 mg per can, that makes the 11 pieces of gum equivalent to two-thirds of a can (or 15 cigarettes in this instance).

:wacko:

I've gone cross eyed.

'help'

My stupidity

I say we pick 10 fog-tards and assign them the math as homework, we'd never get a correct answer but I bet we'd get a shit ton of laughs.

Yeah, if it helps you out in your quit then go for it but you are over thinking this WAY too much.

In the popular brands skoal, grizzly, cope, kodiak... there are 34g per can. In each gram there is between 7-11 mg of nicotine and a lot of variable in between. You don't need any other numbers than what I gave you to figure out your calculations. You have some crazy thing going with percentages that means nothing in terms of finding out how much dip is equal to cigs or gum.

Lets go by rough averages: 1.5 mg in a cigarette x20= 30mg per pack

Dip 9mg per gram= 34x9 = 306 mg per can.

HOWEVER,

Cigarettes are normally rated through a system where a machine "inhales" them and the contents are then analyzed. A lot of the nicotine is lost and not accounted for. Just as in a dip, no all of that nicotine gets absorbed, in fact, most of it does not because not all of it gets pulled out and put in the blood stream. I have heard that cigarettes contain near 5mg but only a small portion of that makes it to the blood stream.

So again your numbers are never going to be consistent as the amount of time in the mouth, the amount of saliva, and all sorts of things are taken in to account.

Don't beat yourself up over it. A dipper is going to get about twice as much nicotine if usage is similar. Numbers just don't work when trying to compare this as too many other factors come in to play. You can however fairly accurately compare two dippers based on brand and quantity.

I am going to edit this in: http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/othe..._more_nicotine/

Notice they use the word "yield" in there. What that means is that is the actual nicotine content that was captured on a smoking machine. Again, the actual nicotine content in a cigarette is much higher but through many factors this is about what the user will get in the blood stream. I don't think it is possible for them to get a measure of what a dipper gets but I would suspect it would be some where in the 3-6 mg range per gram.

I think you fuckers have too much spare time.

I'm an engineer and a statistician, and even I'm not seeing the point of all this.

Here's a much simpler statistic for you. This guy in one of the cancer vids started dipping at 13, lost his jaw ENTIRELY to cancer when he was 17. Now he drinks all his meals. Milligrams this and cubic centimeters that. Nearly all of us have dipped longer than 4 years.

Again, for clarity. 4 years. 13 to 17. Cancer. No jaw.

Just quit.

I hear you guys, that is why I said that WP that if it helps him in his quit I will jump in and any have the conversation with him.

I agree that nicotine content and all this bullshit is not worth much but some people have different resolve in their quit.
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BTW...

Where is this skyhook moron?

Fucker is probably sucking the nic bitches tit as we speak. This guy got more good help from us than any "coach" will possibly give. My guess is his coach is also sucking the bitches tit.

This my friends is what a nicotine addict who is too much of a pussy to quit looks like.

His name is Skyhook and he is a slave. To quit he first gives us a "quit date". Then when quit date comes around and we all pressure him for roll post he admits that quit date DID NOT WORK and he is still eating her out. When told that cold turkey is the only way he gives us a promise of 8 weeks from now... EIGHT FUCKING WEEKS?! Lets just ignore his bullshit about "I found a site I like better".

I knew this was a crock of shit from the start but I didn't know it would end up looking like this.

Among all of this Skyhook proves everything we all know. An uncommitted fool makes a terrible quitter. Patches, gum, acupuncture, blah, blah, blah....

All of those distractions are for people who are too afraid, not man enough, and not brave enough to actually quit. Why do we waste our time with idiots like Skyhook.

This moron had the best quit help and decided to kill himself instead.
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If I could rewind the clock back to January 5th, 2008 I'd immediately type in killthecan.org. That was the date I put down the can and picked up the lozenge. It was a 12 week program. That turned into 20 weeks. then 30. Then I was going to Sams Club to buy lozenges in bulk. 3 years and 6 months later I'm in Kuwait with no way to get lozenges, and a pretty little bitch with a short skirt named Cope called me over for a quickie. You are never quit if you have NIC in your system. You will rationalize replacing one form with another and go around in circles. Cut free from the nicotine roundabout and get on the freeway to freedom.
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I see you still check in. How is my unique and special butterfly? Is the gum good? Just think, in 8 weeks you will arrive at phase 3 of your quit plan. What is it? 1 mg gum? You got this. :unsure:

Post up when your hair brained scheme does not work out. Trust me, our plan works.
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Scowick...the last I heard it is OK for the members to sign in whenever they chose..
It's a public forum and not a bootcamp.....get off my back..you are pissing me off..I will request that the mods close this thread..
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The thread has been closed per your request. That said, you're the one that came looking for support. No one here did anything other than what we always do.

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I don't wish "luck" on quitters because I feel that a successful quit has nothing to do with luck.

That said... good luck to you sir. If you won't use 9,000+ supporters to help you, you're going to need it.
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