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Sep 28 2011, 08:15 AM
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"The best thing about Marx is that he wasn't a Keynesian." Rothbard
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- skyhook
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Thanks for the pm's and posts...I am quit and on day 3..My plan was not cold turkey.. yesterday, I chewed 11 pieces of 2 mg nicotine gum and I plan to use it for 8 weeks..
I do plan to stay quit..
skyhook
If you were down to one dip per day, I would think 11 pieces of gum has increased your nicotine intake. All you are doing is prolonging the bad stuff. You could flush the nic and the bad stuff will pass in a few days. Otherwise, you're going to be uncomfortable the next eight weeks and then go through the suck if/when you actually stop using nic.
Just keep in mind that we don't stand to profit if you utilize our plan. Our motivation is to help you get quit, not keep you spending money on nicotine.
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Day 1=January 7, 2011
“It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.’ But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.” - Rothbard
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Sep 28 2011, 08:24 AM
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...It's easy until it's hard.
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- skyhook
- Sep 28, 2011, 5:44 am
I do plan to stay quit..
Newsflash. If you have nicotine flowing through your body, then you are NOT quit. I was on the lozenge for three years, telling myself I was quit. You're addicted to the nicotine, not the dip. Your first day of quit will be when you flush all nicotine containing products down the drain and start your healing process. Until that time, do not insult any of the addicts in here with your talk about "being quit using NRT". Nobody buys it.
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Your mind is a lying, cheating, stealing whore. Your body is a saint. Now, who are YOU going to listen to?
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Sep 28 2011, 08:45 AM
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you kids git off a my yard
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- skyhook
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Thanks for the pm's and posts...I am quit and on day 3..My plan was not cold turkey..
false. you are not quit. you just dint dip for a few days. cuz
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yesterday, I chewed 11 pieces of 2 mg nicotine gum and I plan to use it for 8 weeks..
you still dont under stand. your not a dip adict. your a nicateen adict. and you and your coach are feedin it.
gmann and scowick are tellin you strate. insted a byin a $6 tin your spendin way more on gum what aint helpin assept feedin your adictshun. and i sure as shit hope you aint payin a coach what dont under stand whats goin on. (prolly gettin payed by the hour) hell your takin more nic today then you took 3 days ago. what fuckin kind of sense does that make? tradin one form a the demin for anuther aint quitin. i no. i tryed usin the pach like 3 times. and the next day i was stuffin my face agin. this here free program works. for over a thousind days.
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I do plan to stay quit..
well see here step 1 is you gotta actshully get quit. throw that gum in the toylit. piss on it. then shit on it. then flush it. step 2 is to sack up and post up on roll call and keep your word. step 3 is to repete step 2 evry day.
look at that shit. it aint a 12 step program. it only takes 3. boo-fuckin-yea!
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any day what ends in "y" is a good day to be quit... hay man today ends in "y"
man if all your gonna do is post statis updates, stick to the face book and tweeter. you wanna quit with me? then gosh darn it post roll.
hof speechin or the best dam intro thred. and your all ways wellcome over to the party bus a quit
my thots on when to leave kill the can and my very own words a wisdom
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Sep 28 2011, 09:50 AM
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Skyhook : Cold turkey, and the one day at a time quit is what goes and has proven to heal, nothing else!!! nicofiend 148 days freedom
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Sep 28 2011, 09:53 AM
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skyhook
Joined 23-September 11 Last Activity: Sep 28, 2011, 7:31 am User's local time Sep 28, 2011, 7:50 am
Still watching from the treeline. I guess that means he's thinking about doing it for real. It's gotta be tough since right now he plans on using for another "8 weeks", our way means now. I think he can do it. Who wants to chew gum for the next 8 weeks, already tossed the dip, why not toss the gum and do it for real.
You've got support if you chose to man up.
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Sep 28 2011, 11:24 AM
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"The best thing about Marx is that he wasn't a Keynesian." Rothbard
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skyhook
Joined 23-September 11 Last Activity: Sep 28, 2011, 7:31 am User's local time Sep 28, 2011, 7:50 am
Still watching from the treeline. I guess that means he's thinking about doing it for real. It's gotta be tough since right now he plans on using for another "8 weeks", our way means now. I think he can do it. Who wants to chew gum for the next 8 weeks, already tossed the dip, why not toss the gum and do it for real.
You've got support if you chose to man up.
We are living proof that it can be done.
I used nic gum for seven days. It did not make quitting easier. It prolonged the agony.
We know the thoughts in your head right now. We were all scared shitless thinking about never having our "friend" tagging along with us anymore at work, driving, hunting, watching tv, etc. Heck, how do you think Magnum felt knowing no more nic after ghey sex?
The truth is that nicotine is not your friend. Nicotine will do or say whatever it takes to convince you to use for one more day. That's why we say "no" TODAY. You will never regret making the decision to quit TODAY.
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Day 1=January 7, 2011
“It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.’ But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.” - Rothbard
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Sep 28 2011, 12:04 PM
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I just did a little research.
An average can of chewing tobacco is 3.4% nicotine. For 1 ounce of chewing tobacco (or 1 entire can of shit), that is approximately 964 mg of nicotine.
If you chewed a quarter of a can a day (2 cans a week), that's 241 milligrams of nicotine a day. That breaks down to 120 pieces of gum a day at that level. If you split that quarter of a can into 8 small chews, that is approximately 15 pieces of gum per timy chew from the can.
Here's the other issue: that 170 count box of gum contains 340 mg of nicotine. This is approximately 35% of the amount of tobacco in a can of chew for $42 more! It would take 482 pieces of gum to equal one can of chewing tobacco!! That is now $115.68 you have paid for the same amount of nicotine you were buying before for $5!!!
Why would you torture yourself by limiting your body to just enough nicotine to keep you addicted, but not enough to satisfy one craving? That's insane. I know nicorette has effective marketing, but this quit procedure does not work. How can just enough nicotine to keep you addicted make your quit suck less?? Look at the numbers. It is a mentality that may be keeping the chew out of your lip, not some overpriced inneffective piece of poison. I've done the "1 chew a day" thing too. I ended up playing "how much can I stuff in my face at one time" game.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO SELL YOU SOMETHING. WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU. WE HAVE ONE PRICE FOR OUR SERVICE: QUIT.
If you pull the bandaid off now, it will take 3 days for that shit to be out of your system. You can do this now, or you can do this in 8 weeks. Either way, you still have to step off the ledge sometime. Then, instead of having to pay $47 for a 170 count box of gum, you can pay $.05 ($8.50 for a 170 count bucket) for a piece of bazooka and you get an awesome little comic (with each one!!) to go with it.
Skyhook, we've all held onto crutches here. We aren't going to be mean if you grow a pair and decide to quit. We've all been there. We know what you're going through, what you will go through, and we can advise you what's worked for us. Do you really want to put all your eggs into 1 coach's basket, or take a chance with thousands?
PS Doesn't that nicotine gum taste like pre-chewed wintergreen gum? The thought of chewing it again disgusts me and I haven't had it since 2004.
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In the end I Surrender, I and I alone accept that I have and always will have a Nicotene ADDICTION. It is my choice to quit, but I can't do it alone. I get to go down this path one time, I want to do it right. I recognize that my word, my integrety to you is on the line and is only as good as my actions. Caving is not an option in this plan-Eafman 7/11
I am not cured. I will quit one day at a time. I will continue to do what works. Posting roll everyday. To do otherwise would be foolish on my part. You can do this-Ready 12/11
To overcome your addiction you must comprehend what it means to fail-Razd 3/12
Theres a lot of people that come here, especially vets, that WANT to be reminded that they are addicts.-Tarpon 6/12
Just as a building starts with architectural drawings. Your daily quit begins with a promise.-Scowick 2/13
Here and now, focused on today, minute by minute, whatever it takes, I promise to all my bros and myself not to become a negative stat and stay quit!-krok 1/15
I want everyone to be quit. Even the assholes.-Probe1957 1/18
Try walkin' your talk or get the fuck out of my way-A Perfect Circle (TalkTalk)
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magnum9
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Sep 28 2011, 01:34 PM
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Lifetime pass on the short bus
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- gmann
- Sep 28, 2011, 11:24 am
We know the thoughts in your head right now. We were all scared shitless thinking about never having our "friend" tagging along with us anymore at work, driving, hunting, watching tv, etc. Heck, how do you think Magnum felt knowing no more nic after ghey sex?
It is tough man. No, really it is fear.
You are afraid to quit so you are hiding from the quit behind the same addiction you tell us you are escaping. My friend, you need to beat the addiction not the oral fixation. If you must, buy some of the fake dip and use that for the rest of your life if you have to. This whole gum thing ain't gonna work. You can NOT beat an addiction by feeding your addiction.
Beat the fear. Own it. Ditch the gum and let us help you actually quit rather than continue to stuff your face and pretend its something better. You need this.
Don't be afraid, we all were but now look back and wonder why we didn't do it sooner.
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10 out of 10 doctors recommend posting with the EPIC May 2011 3 ballers, it is an essential part of a balanced quit.
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magnum9
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Sep 28 2011, 01:43 PM
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Lifetime pass on the short bus
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- wastepanel
- Sep 28, 2011, 12:04 pm
I just did a little research.
An average can of chewing tobacco is 3.4% nicotine. For 1 ounce of chewing tobacco (or 1 entire can of shit), that is approximately 964 mg of nicotine.
If you chewed a quarter of a can a day (2 cans a week), that's 241 milligrams of nicotine a day. That breaks down to 120 pieces of gum a day at that level. If you split that quarter of a can into 8 small chews, that is approximately 15 pieces of gum per timy chew from the can.
Here's the other issue: that 170 count box of gum contains 340 mg of nicotine. This is approximately 35% of the amount of tobacco in a can of chew for $42 more! It would take 482 pieces of gum to equal one can of chewing tobacco!! That is now $115.68 you have paid for the same amount of nicotine you were buying before for $5!!!
Why would you torture yourself by limiting your body to just enough nicotine to keep you addicted, but not enough to satisfy one craving? That's insane. I know nicorette has effective marketing, but this quit procedure does not work. How can just enough nicotine to keep you addicted make your quit suck less?? Look at the numbers. It is a mentality that may be keeping the chew out of your lip, not some overpriced inneffective piece of poison. I've done the "1 chew a day" thing too. I ended up playing "how much can I stuff in my face at one time" game.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO SELL YOU SOMETHING. WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU. WE HAVE ONE PRICE FOR OUR SERVICE: QUIT.
If you pull the bandaid off now, it will take 3 days for that shit to be out of your system. You can do this now, or you can do this in 8 weeks. Either way, you still have to step off the ledge sometime. Then, instead of having to pay $47 for a 170 count box of gum, you can pay $.05 ($8.50 for a 170 count bucket) for a piece of bazooka and you get an awesome little comic (with each one!!) to go with it.
Skyhook, we've all held onto crutches here. We aren't going to be mean if you grow a pair and decide to quit. We've all been there. We know what you're going through, what you will go through, and we can advise you what's worked for us. Do you really want to put all your eggs into 1 coach's basket, or take a chance with thousands?
PS Doesn't that nicotine gum taste like pre-chewed wintergreen gum? The thought of chewing it again disgusts me and I haven't had it since 2004.
Ummm WP,
Your numbers are so far off I got a chuckle out of it. I know what your intentions were but you used the % nicotine by dry weight. Since tobacco is almost 50% moist in the can you didn't account for that.
You need to look at how many MG per gram or mg/g. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4819a3.htm
On that list Skoal measured an 11 mg/g as the highest. So at 34g per can of chew you are looking at 374 mg per can.
I will let you take it from there but the above numbers are correct.
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10 out of 10 doctors recommend posting with the EPIC May 2011 3 ballers, it is an essential part of a balanced quit.
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wastepanel
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Sep 28 2011, 02:58 PM
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- magnum9
- Sep 28, 2011, 12:43 pm
- wastepanel
- Sep 28, 2011, 12:04 pm
I just did a little research.
An average can of chewing tobacco is 3.4% nicotine. For 1 ounce of chewing tobacco (or 1 entire can of shit), that is approximately 964 mg of nicotine.
If you chewed a quarter of a can a day (2 cans a week), that's 241 milligrams of nicotine a day. That breaks down to 120 pieces of gum a day at that level. If you split that quarter of a can into 8 small chews, that is approximately 15 pieces of gum per timy chew from the can.
Here's the other issue: that 170 count box of gum contains 340 mg of nicotine. This is approximately 35% of the amount of tobacco in a can of chew for $42 more! It would take 482 pieces of gum to equal one can of chewing tobacco!! That is now $115.68 you have paid for the same amount of nicotine you were buying before for $5!!!
Why would you torture yourself by limiting your body to just enough nicotine to keep you addicted, but not enough to satisfy one craving? That's insane. I know nicorette has effective marketing, but this quit procedure does not work. How can just enough nicotine to keep you addicted make your quit suck less?? Look at the numbers. It is a mentality that may be keeping the chew out of your lip, not some overpriced inneffective piece of poison. I've done the "1 chew a day" thing too. I ended up playing "how much can I stuff in my face at one time" game.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO SELL YOU SOMETHING. WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU. WE HAVE ONE PRICE FOR OUR SERVICE: QUIT.
If you pull the bandaid off now, it will take 3 days for that shit to be out of your system. You can do this now, or you can do this in 8 weeks. Either way, you still have to step off the ledge sometime. Then, instead of having to pay $47 for a 170 count box of gum, you can pay $.05 ($8.50 for a 170 count bucket) for a piece of bazooka and you get an awesome little comic (with each one!!) to go with it.
Skyhook, we've all held onto crutches here. We aren't going to be mean if you grow a pair and decide to quit. We've all been there. We know what you're going through, what you will go through, and we can advise you what's worked for us. Do you really want to put all your eggs into 1 coach's basket, or take a chance with thousands?
PS Doesn't that nicotine gum taste like pre-chewed wintergreen gum? The thought of chewing it again disgusts me and I haven't had it since 2004.
Ummm WP, Your numbers are so far off I got a chuckle out of it. I know what your intentions were but you used the % nicotine by dry weight. Since tobacco is almost 50% moist in the can you didn't account for that. You need to look at how many MG per gram or mg/g. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4819a3.htmOn that list Skoal measured an 11 mg/g as the highest. So at 34g per can of chew you are looking at 374 mg per can. I will let you take it from there but the above numbers are correct.
Yeah, after I posted that I started doing the research.
I realized how duplicite the tobacco companies are, and why we all run in circles looking for some sort of sanity in our quits. I was so quick to run with the stat of chewing tobacco being 3.3% nicotine. Glad I made ya laugh.
I discovered it when I was trying to create a chart trying to get the equivalent chew to cigarette to gum ratio. I was way off there, and have been researching it since.
I ended up running with the old 1 can of chewing tobacco equals 60 cigarettes (as I found quoted in many quitting websites). Each cigarette is approximately 1-1.5 mg of nicotine (as I found at Nicorette and quitting websites). This is the only way to make the numbers aline. Some places said that a 2 can a week addiction equals a pack and a half a day of cigarettes.
I found out that 11 pieces of 2 mg gum equals a quarter of a can of chew (or 15 cigarettes). Unfortunately, this makes the total nicotine in the can 90 mg, so the numbers are skewed again. If I go with 34 mg per can, that makes the 11 pieces of gum equivalent to two-thirds of a can (or 15 cigarettes in this instance).
:wacko:
I've gone cross eyed.
'help'
My stupidity
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In the end I Surrender, I and I alone accept that I have and always will have a Nicotene ADDICTION. It is my choice to quit, but I can't do it alone. I get to go down this path one time, I want to do it right. I recognize that my word, my integrety to you is on the line and is only as good as my actions. Caving is not an option in this plan-Eafman 7/11
I am not cured. I will quit one day at a time. I will continue to do what works. Posting roll everyday. To do otherwise would be foolish on my part. You can do this-Ready 12/11
To overcome your addiction you must comprehend what it means to fail-Razd 3/12
Theres a lot of people that come here, especially vets, that WANT to be reminded that they are addicts.-Tarpon 6/12
Just as a building starts with architectural drawings. Your daily quit begins with a promise.-Scowick 2/13
Here and now, focused on today, minute by minute, whatever it takes, I promise to all my bros and myself not to become a negative stat and stay quit!-krok 1/15
I want everyone to be quit. Even the assholes.-Probe1957 1/18
Try walkin' your talk or get the fuck out of my way-A Perfect Circle (TalkTalk)
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Sep 28 2011, 03:04 PM
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- wastepanel
- Sep 28, 2011, 11:58 am
- magnum9
- Sep 28, 2011, 12:43 pm
- wastepanel
- Sep 28, 2011, 12:04 pm
I just did a little research.
An average can of chewing tobacco is 3.4% nicotine. For 1 ounce of chewing tobacco (or 1 entire can of shit), that is approximately 964 mg of nicotine.
If you chewed a quarter of a can a day (2 cans a week), that's 241 milligrams of nicotine a day. That breaks down to 120 pieces of gum a day at that level. If you split that quarter of a can into 8 small chews, that is approximately 15 pieces of gum per timy chew from the can.
Here's the other issue: that 170 count box of gum contains 340 mg of nicotine. This is approximately 35% of the amount of tobacco in a can of chew for $42 more! It would take 482 pieces of gum to equal one can of chewing tobacco!! That is now $115.68 you have paid for the same amount of nicotine you were buying before for $5!!!
Why would you torture yourself by limiting your body to just enough nicotine to keep you addicted, but not enough to satisfy one craving? That's insane. I know nicorette has effective marketing, but this quit procedure does not work. How can just enough nicotine to keep you addicted make your quit suck less?? Look at the numbers. It is a mentality that may be keeping the chew out of your lip, not some overpriced inneffective piece of poison. I've done the "1 chew a day" thing too. I ended up playing "how much can I stuff in my face at one time" game.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO SELL YOU SOMETHING. WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU. WE HAVE ONE PRICE FOR OUR SERVICE: QUIT.
If you pull the bandaid off now, it will take 3 days for that shit to be out of your system. You can do this now, or you can do this in 8 weeks. Either way, you still have to step off the ledge sometime. Then, instead of having to pay $47 for a 170 count box of gum, you can pay $.05 ($8.50 for a 170 count bucket) for a piece of bazooka and you get an awesome little comic (with each one!!) to go with it.
Skyhook, we've all held onto crutches here. We aren't going to be mean if you grow a pair and decide to quit. We've all been there. We know what you're going through, what you will go through, and we can advise you what's worked for us. Do you really want to put all your eggs into 1 coach's basket, or take a chance with thousands?
PS Doesn't that nicotine gum taste like pre-chewed wintergreen gum? The thought of chewing it again disgusts me and I haven't had it since 2004.
Ummm WP, Your numbers are so far off I got a chuckle out of it. I know what your intentions were but you used the % nicotine by dry weight. Since tobacco is almost 50% moist in the can you didn't account for that. You need to look at how many MG per gram or mg/g. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4819a3.htmOn that list Skoal measured an 11 mg/g as the highest. So at 34g per can of chew you are looking at 374 mg per can. I will let you take it from there but the above numbers are correct.
Yeah, after I posted that I started doing the research. I realized how duplicite the tobacco companies are, and why we all run in circles looking for some sort of sanity in our quits. I was so quick to run with the stat of chewing tobacco being 3.3% nicotine. Glad I made ya laugh. I discovered it when I was trying to create a chart trying to get the equivalent chew to cigarette to gum ratio. I was way off there, and have been researching it since. I ended up running with the old 1 can of chewing tobacco equals 60 cigarettes (as I found quoted in many quitting websites). Each cigarette is approximately 1-1.5 mg of nicotine (as I found at Nicorette and quitting websites). This is the only way to make the numbers aline. Some places said that a 2 can a week addiction equals a pack and a half a day of cigarettes. I found out that 11 pieces of 2 mg gum equals a quarter of a can of chew (or 15 cigarettes). Unfortunately, this makes the total nicotine in the can 90 mg, so the numbers are skewed again. If I go with 34 mg per can, that makes the 11 pieces of gum equivalent to two-thirds of a can (or 15 cigarettes in this instance). :wacko: I've gone cross eyed. 'help' My stupidity
I say we pick 10 fog-tards and assign them the math as homework, we'd never get a correct answer but I bet we'd get a shit ton of laughs.
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magnum9
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Sep 28 2011, 03:27 PM
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- Luby
- Sep 28, 2011, 3:04 pm
- wastepanel
- Sep 28, 2011, 11:58 am
- magnum9
- Sep 28, 2011, 12:43 pm
- wastepanel
- Sep 28, 2011, 12:04 pm
I just did a little research.
An average can of chewing tobacco is 3.4% nicotine. For 1 ounce of chewing tobacco (or 1 entire can of shit), that is approximately 964 mg of nicotine.
If you chewed a quarter of a can a day (2 cans a week), that's 241 milligrams of nicotine a day. That breaks down to 120 pieces of gum a day at that level. If you split that quarter of a can into 8 small chews, that is approximately 15 pieces of gum per timy chew from the can.
Here's the other issue: that 170 count box of gum contains 340 mg of nicotine. This is approximately 35% of the amount of tobacco in a can of chew for $42 more! It would take 482 pieces of gum to equal one can of chewing tobacco!! That is now $115.68 you have paid for the same amount of nicotine you were buying before for $5!!!
Why would you torture yourself by limiting your body to just enough nicotine to keep you addicted, but not enough to satisfy one craving? That's insane. I know nicorette has effective marketing, but this quit procedure does not work. How can just enough nicotine to keep you addicted make your quit suck less?? Look at the numbers. It is a mentality that may be keeping the chew out of your lip, not some overpriced inneffective piece of poison. I've done the "1 chew a day" thing too. I ended up playing "how much can I stuff in my face at one time" game.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO SELL YOU SOMETHING. WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU. WE HAVE ONE PRICE FOR OUR SERVICE: QUIT.
If you pull the bandaid off now, it will take 3 days for that shit to be out of your system. You can do this now, or you can do this in 8 weeks. Either way, you still have to step off the ledge sometime. Then, instead of having to pay $47 for a 170 count box of gum, you can pay $.05 ($8.50 for a 170 count bucket) for a piece of bazooka and you get an awesome little comic (with each one!!) to go with it.
Skyhook, we've all held onto crutches here. We aren't going to be mean if you grow a pair and decide to quit. We've all been there. We know what you're going through, what you will go through, and we can advise you what's worked for us. Do you really want to put all your eggs into 1 coach's basket, or take a chance with thousands?
PS Doesn't that nicotine gum taste like pre-chewed wintergreen gum? The thought of chewing it again disgusts me and I haven't had it since 2004.
Ummm WP, Your numbers are so far off I got a chuckle out of it. I know what your intentions were but you used the % nicotine by dry weight. Since tobacco is almost 50% moist in the can you didn't account for that. You need to look at how many MG per gram or mg/g. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4819a3.htmOn that list Skoal measured an 11 mg/g as the highest. So at 34g per can of chew you are looking at 374 mg per can. I will let you take it from there but the above numbers are correct.
Yeah, after I posted that I started doing the research. I realized how duplicite the tobacco companies are, and why we all run in circles looking for some sort of sanity in our quits. I was so quick to run with the stat of chewing tobacco being 3.3% nicotine. Glad I made ya laugh. I discovered it when I was trying to create a chart trying to get the equivalent chew to cigarette to gum ratio. I was way off there, and have been researching it since. I ended up running with the old 1 can of chewing tobacco equals 60 cigarettes (as I found quoted in many quitting websites). Each cigarette is approximately 1-1.5 mg of nicotine (as I found at Nicorette and quitting websites). This is the only way to make the numbers aline. Some places said that a 2 can a week addiction equals a pack and a half a day of cigarettes. I found out that 11 pieces of 2 mg gum equals a quarter of a can of chew (or 15 cigarettes). Unfortunately, this makes the total nicotine in the can 90 mg, so the numbers are skewed again. If I go with 34 mg per can, that makes the 11 pieces of gum equivalent to two-thirds of a can (or 15 cigarettes in this instance). :wacko: I've gone cross eyed. 'help' My stupidity
I say we pick 10 fog-tards and assign them the math as homework, we'd never get a correct answer but I bet we'd get a shit ton of laughs.
Yeah, if it helps you out in your quit then go for it but you are over thinking this WAY too much.
In the popular brands skoal, grizzly, cope, kodiak... there are 34g per can. In each gram there is between 7-11 mg of nicotine and a lot of variable in between. You don't need any other numbers than what I gave you to figure out your calculations. You have some crazy thing going with percentages that means nothing in terms of finding out how much dip is equal to cigs or gum.
Lets go by rough averages: 1.5 mg in a cigarette x20= 30mg per pack
Dip 9mg per gram= 34x9 = 306 mg per can.
HOWEVER,
Cigarettes are normally rated through a system where a machine "inhales" them and the contents are then analyzed. A lot of the nicotine is lost and not accounted for. Just as in a dip, no all of that nicotine gets absorbed, in fact, most of it does not because not all of it gets pulled out and put in the blood stream. I have heard that cigarettes contain near 5mg but only a small portion of that makes it to the blood stream.
So again your numbers are never going to be consistent as the amount of time in the mouth, the amount of saliva, and all sorts of things are taken in to account.
Don't beat yourself up over it. A dipper is going to get about twice as much nicotine if usage is similar. Numbers just don't work when trying to compare this as too many other factors come in to play. You can however fairly accurately compare two dippers based on brand and quantity.
I am going to edit this in: http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/othe..._more_nicotine/
Notice they use the word "yield" in there. What that means is that is the actual nicotine content that was captured on a smoking machine. Again, the actual nicotine content in a cigarette is much higher but through many factors this is about what the user will get in the blood stream. I don't think it is possible for them to get a measure of what a dipper gets but I would suspect it would be some where in the 3-6 mg range per gram.
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I say we pick 10 fog-tards and assign them the math as homework, we'd never get a correct answer but I bet we'd get a shit ton of laughs.
Now that's fuckin funny...
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I just did a little research.
An average can of chewing tobacco is 3.4% nicotine. For 1 ounce of chewing tobacco (or 1 entire can of shit), that is approximately 964 mg of nicotine.
If you chewed a quarter of a can a day (2 cans a week), that's 241 milligrams of nicotine a day. That breaks down to 120 pieces of gum a day at that level. If you split that quarter of a can into 8 small chews, that is approximately 15 pieces of gum per timy chew from the can.
Here's the other issue: that 170 count box of gum contains 340 mg of nicotine. This is approximately 35% of the amount of tobacco in a can of chew for $42 more! It would take 482 pieces of gum to equal one can of chewing tobacco!! That is now $115.68 you have paid for the same amount of nicotine you were buying before for $5!!!
Why would you torture yourself by limiting your body to just enough nicotine to keep you addicted, but not enough to satisfy one craving? That's insane. I know nicorette has effective marketing, but this quit procedure does not work. How can just enough nicotine to keep you addicted make your quit suck less?? Look at the numbers. It is a mentality that may be keeping the chew out of your lip, not some overpriced inneffective piece of poison. I've done the "1 chew a day" thing too. I ended up playing "how much can I stuff in my face at one time" game.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO SELL YOU SOMETHING. WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU. WE HAVE ONE PRICE FOR OUR SERVICE: QUIT.
If you pull the bandaid off now, it will take 3 days for that shit to be out of your system. You can do this now, or you can do this in 8 weeks. Either way, you still have to step off the ledge sometime. Then, instead of having to pay $47 for a 170 count box of gum, you can pay $.05 ($8.50 for a 170 count bucket) for a piece of bazooka and you get an awesome little comic (with each one!!) to go with it.
Skyhook, we've all held onto crutches here. We aren't going to be mean if you grow a pair and decide to quit. We've all been there. We know what you're going through, what you will go through, and we can advise you what's worked for us. Do you really want to put all your eggs into 1 coach's basket, or take a chance with thousands?
PS Doesn't that nicotine gum taste like pre-chewed wintergreen gum? The thought of chewing it again disgusts me and I haven't had it since 2004.
Ummm WP, Your numbers are so far off I got a chuckle out of it. I know what your intentions were but you used the % nicotine by dry weight. Since tobacco is almost 50% moist in the can you didn't account for that. You need to look at how many MG per gram or mg/g. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4819a3.htmOn that list Skoal measured an 11 mg/g as the highest. So at 34g per can of chew you are looking at 374 mg per can. I will let you take it from there but the above numbers are correct.
Yeah, after I posted that I started doing the research. I realized how duplicite the tobacco companies are, and why we all run in circles looking for some sort of sanity in our quits. I was so quick to run with the stat of chewing tobacco being 3.3% nicotine. Glad I made ya laugh. I discovered it when I was trying to create a chart trying to get the equivalent chew to cigarette to gum ratio. I was way off there, and have been researching it since. I ended up running with the old 1 can of chewing tobacco equals 60 cigarettes (as I found quoted in many quitting websites). Each cigarette is approximately 1-1.5 mg of nicotine (as I found at Nicorette and quitting websites). This is the only way to make the numbers aline. Some places said that a 2 can a week addiction equals a pack and a half a day of cigarettes. I found out that 11 pieces of 2 mg gum equals a quarter of a can of chew (or 15 cigarettes). Unfortunately, this makes the total nicotine in the can 90 mg, so the numbers are skewed again. If I go with 34 mg per can, that makes the 11 pieces of gum equivalent to two-thirds of a can (or 15 cigarettes in this instance). :wacko: I've gone cross eyed. 'help' My stupidity
I say we pick 10 fog-tards and assign them the math as homework, we'd never get a correct answer but I bet we'd get a shit ton of laughs.
Yeah, if it helps you out in your quit then go for it but you are over thinking this WAY too much. In the popular brands skoal, grizzly, cope, kodiak... there are 34g per can. In each gram there is between 7-11 mg of nicotine and a lot of variable in between. You don't need any other numbers than what I gave you to figure out your calculations. You have some crazy thing going with percentages that means nothing in terms of finding out how much dip is equal to cigs or gum. Lets go by rough averages: 1.5 mg in a cigarette x20= 30mg per pack Dip 9mg per gram= 34x9 = 306 mg per can. HOWEVER, Cigarettes are normally rated through a system where a machine "inhales" them and the contents are then analyzed. A lot of the nicotine is lost and not accounted for. Just as in a dip, no all of that nicotine gets absorbed, in fact, most of it does not because not all of it gets pulled out and put in the blood stream. I have heard that cigarettes contain near 5mg but only a small portion of that makes it to the blood stream. So again your numbers are never going to be consistent as the amount of time in the mouth, the amount of saliva, and all sorts of things are taken in to account. Don't beat yourself up over it. A dipper is going to get about twice as much nicotine if usage is similar. Numbers just don't work when trying to compare this as too many other factors come in to play. You can however fairly accurately compare two dippers based on brand and quantity. I am going to edit this in: http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/othe..._more_nicotine/Notice they use the word "yield" in there. What that means is that is the actual nicotine content that was captured on a smoking machine. Again, the actual nicotine content in a cigarette is much higher but through many factors this is about what the user will get in the blood stream. I don't think it is possible for them to get a measure of what a dipper gets but I would suspect it would be some where in the 3-6 mg range per gram.
I think you fuckers have too much spare time.
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