Hey all, I'm a newbe here. I came across this site and thought it may be good for me just knowing I'm not alone. I'm almost 35 years old and started smoking when I was 17. I finally quit smoking about 4 years ago and would never go back to it. I started chewing to be able to quit smoking and now I'm hooked. I only have 1/2 a can left so I plan on not buying anymore. People tell me to just throw it away but just like with smoking I couldn't do that, I had to finish it off and just not buy after that. I did order some of this Oregon Mint chew with no tobacco or nicotine so I'm gunna give that a try. I'm just tired of brushing my teeth and spitting blood. Anyway that's my story :P Hope to chat with you all sometime..

Welcome - I hope you make the decision to toss that shit like yesterday. The cost of a half a tin is not worth you getting cancer and dying.

If you need we can take up a collection to reimburse you - should be about a copper penny from each registered member! :D

yea I think I can do this. I know for sure that a person has to be ready to quit. Just like when I quit smoking I had tried many times but failed. Finally the last time I was able to quit and it didn't even bother me. I had thought about the patched but I didn't ever have any luck with them when I smoked so I don't know if it would be any better with chew. I'm just gunna not buy any more skoal and just try to chew this non tobacco stuff.

Hey all, I'm a newbe here. I came across this site and thought it may be good for me just knowing I'm not alone. Um... that's cool... I think.

I'm almost 35 years old and started smoking when I was 17. I finally quit smoking about 4 years ago and would never go back to it. I started chewing to be able to quit smoking and now I'm hooked. You get zero bonus points for quitting smoking by starting on dip. You just continued a full-on nicotine addiction by switching forms of nicotine delivery... and you didn't "become hooked", you stayed hooked.

I only have 1/2 a can left so I plan on not buying anymore. Just not buying more is bullshit; you will always run out at an inopportune time and then plan to quit after the next can runs out. Also, what about the dips you bum from buddies? Quitting will never be an accident - you have to make it happen.

People tell me to just throw it away but just like with smoking I couldn't do that, I had to finish it off and just not buy after that. You should listen to those People.

I did order some of this Oregon Mint chew with no tobacco or nicotine so I'm gunna give that a try. You can't just give quitting a try. You have to actually do it.

I'm just tired of brushing my teeth and spitting blood. Is that really the only reason you're quitting? I don't know if that will be enough to make it stick.

Anyway that's my story :P Hope to chat with you all sometime.. That's cool, see you around i guess?
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yea I think I can do this. I'm not feeling it.

I know for sure that a person has to be ready to quit. OK, I'll buy that, are you ready?

Just like when I quit smoking I had tried many times but failed. Finally the last time I was able to quit and it didn't even bother me. Oh... see the part about zero bonus points above...

I had thought about the patched but I didn't ever have any luck with them when I smoked so I don't know if it would be any better with chew. Nothing about quitting involves luck. YOU must take responsibility for quitting, and YOU must decide to quit. No nicotine replacement therapy, no cutting back or quitting later, just quit.

I'm just gunna not buy any more skoal and just try to chew this non tobacco stuff. Nope... can't just try and hope it goes away. You have to make a rock-solid decision to quit. Right now as you read this. No other time will work. You've been putting this off for 18± years, START RIGHT NOW.


You are dealing with a serious addiction here. You can not fuck around with quitting and expect to succeed. You must decide without any reservations that right now is the time to quit, and that you will, without a doubt, stay quit. Nothing short of that level of commitment will work.

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One last thing... if you can bring yourself to make the decision to quit, I can tell you that the rewards of being quit are well worth the pain and struggle of quitting. This site has hundreds of members who have successfully quit, and they will all tell you the same thing: it is worth it.

so what is it. the first month or so the hardest? I honestly feel it's more mental than anything. I know when I quit smoking for a while I still felt like I was craving a smoke but yet I was getting the nicotine from the chew. That proves right there that it's not so much craving nicotine but rather the habit of doing the same thing every day. Oh and I am happy with myself about quitting smoking even though I started chewing to replace it because that proves that I can break a habit that I had done for many years. Not sayin a nicotine addiction but the habit. I feel the habit of doing something at certain times every day is just as bad or worse than the nicotine addiction.

It's different for everyone. Generally the majority of the physical withdrawals happen in the first three or four days, and the worst of the fog and mind games last about two weeks. The "about two weeks" can vary wildly from person to person.

Habit is a HUGE part of it, but the habit is not what controls your life and kills you. The tobacco does that. You need to quit the tobacco.

The reason I picked your post apart is that I heard the ambiguity that leads to a cave in nearly every single sentence. You have to really want this and really mean it. Just think about it: this is an addiction that has people smoking cigarettes through holes in their trachea after surgeons have cut out their cancerous throats. You have to take this seriously and face the problem you've created for yourself.

Did you quit yet? No nicotene for a day?

The best thing to do is to simply quit. Don't think about it, don't worry about it, don't over-analyze it. Just do it. Do it right now if you haven't quit yet.

Don't worry about the first month, or day or hour. Just quit right now for the next 60 seconds. Worry about the next minute after that when it gets here.

You are an addict. You are addicted to nicotene. You have to break that addiction cuz it's damn sure gonna break you.

Doesn't matter what was the hardest month, day, year, etc...what matters is that you're quit and that you're committed to it!

Don't bullshit yourself...that craving is caused by your addiction to nicotine not by doing the same thing everyday. The nicotine is what you're craving whether you want to believe it or not...sugar coating it by saying it's habit is pure b.s.

You should be very happy about quitting, it's something not everyone can do or handle. However, don't replace one bad habit with another. Chewing is actually more addicting because it's in your bloodstream almost instantly. I don't think that having a daily habit is necessarily bad, it just depends on the habit. Putting the love stick to the ol' bird on a daily basis isn't a bad habit, plus it doesn't cause cancer like nicotine does. I don't feel that would be something bad or worse than nicotine if done every day.

I get your point, however replacing a bad habit with another one doesn't justify beating the nicotine addiciton. You quit smoking but replaced it with dipping. Now quit dipping and replace it with something positive, like staying quit and posting roll in your quit group everyday! You can do this, we can help you but only if you choose to quit can we help. I don't think you'd be here if you didn't want to quit. This site is for quitters, not wanna be's.

Bottom line: Quitting isn't easy, there will be days when you're frustrated, angry, pissed off, etc... You can get through those days, we've all been there and still have them to this day. We want to be quit and we want you to be quit too! You are the one to decide if quitting is truely what you want!

I'm quit and hope you will be too!

MF

[QUOTE]You should be very happy about quitting, it's something not everyone can do or handle.

Everyone CAN quit!!

I'm not bullshitting myself, I know for a damn fact that I was in no way craving nicotine when i had a chew in my mouth. All I can say is that even while chewing I still wanted to smoke. It was a habit that I had made part of my life. Sure if I didn't have a chew I would crave but I would want to smoke even while chewing. That is the habit part coming in effect. Anyway my skoal has ran out and I have no more. I have been chewing that herbal crap and so far I'm doing good. They claim this crap is not bad for ya in any way but I don't know. I do know it has no tobacco or nicotine. Doesn't taste worth a damn either. 'libs2'

trust me...there is no "cure" without will. I am only three days in, but I had tried everything before. Tried Chantix...worked till I quit taking the medicine. tried patches and what not....

THERE IS NO EASY WAY OUT.

grow a pair....

p.s. day 3 sucks

Since the habit of smoking or having something in your mouth plays such a large roll in your habit, I would recommend staying with the herbal for a while longer. Let your body unfuck itself from the nicotine withdrawals, then deal with the oral fixation.

I'll be here if you need a replacement....

well it's been months since I have been on here and failed several time trying to quit but finally I have done it. It's been almost two months now and my gums are all healed up. :D Had to chew alot of gum and still am but finally kicked the habit. I even have a can of chew by my computer and don't even want to take a dip. I found that I had to buy a new can just to have. It seemed to make me feel better just knowing I had it there. I can say that I will never chew again. So glad I quit.

Wow. Um.....GREAT.

How about you start posting roll everyday with us? Certainly some added accountability can't hurt.

While you are at it, chuck that can. That my friend, is a cave waiting to happen.



EDIT - and congrats on 2 months but by no means have you "finally DONE it". Fighting this addiction is a daily battle that we all will have to fight (to some degree) for the rest of our lives.

....just sayin'

'clap'

Shit I am on 251 days, and I haven't kicked the habit yet.

Congratulations... you just caved.

Perhaps not today, perhaps not next week but it will happen. Fucking get rid of that can or you WILL fail. Period end of fucking story.

You know why it makes you feel better to have it there? Cause you see it as a way out. You're seeing it as something that "eventually... you'll be able to enjoy occasionally". Bullshit. You're an addict my friend. You can't have one ever. Seeing it there ever day will eventually lead you back to it... especially when you're going it alone.

You can say that you'll never chew again all you want. Until that can is gone I'll say that you're a cave waiting to happen.

Sorry to shit on your parade. 2 months is a great achievement and you should be damn proud of it but you're no where near being out of the woods and you certainly shouldn't temp fate by having a safety can at your disposal.

Hell... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the nearly 5,000 people and 3+ years here hasn't shown me anything. I hope you're the first person in my time here at KTC that is stronger than our addiction. That would be cool.

chewie

with me it's more of a habit than an addiction. I was the same way when I smoked. It was almost impossible to quit but after I made my mind up it was nothing. After my mind was made up I never wanted another smoke again. The chewing is going the same way. Never had a nicotine craving after quitting from either one. I honestly think it's all mental. With both things I had to find something to replace it and after that it was smooth going. This is just me though, I'm sure everybody is different. When I say I will never chew again I mean it. I said the same thing about smoking two weeks after I quit. I have found that ya have to want to quit and honestly want to or there will be no way to do it. When I first posted here last spring I thought I wanted to quit but I didn't really. I wanted to quit but not enough that I was worring aboutv my health or anything. I said hell with it and started chewing again. Then one morning I woke up and said no more and I haven't had a chew since. easy as pie if you want to.

Honestly I don't think this really requires a response but you caught me in a pissy mood so I'll play along.

With me it's more of a habit than an addiction." - that's like saying to your wife that you got a blow job but didn't fuck the other chick so you didn't cheat. Don't fool yourself. You're an addict.

"I was the same way when I smoked. It was almost impossible to quit but after I made my mind up it was nothing. After my mind was made up I never wanted another smoke again." - Yeah... except for the fact that you started chewing. Hey honey... you'll be so proud of me! I quit drinking Jack Daniels. Hey... can you fill up my Wild Turkey?

"Never had a nicotine craving after quitting from either one. I honestly think it's all mental." - Honestly... I think you're fucked in the head.

"With both things I had to find something to replace it and after that it was smooth going." - So you replaced smoking with chewing... what did you replace chewing with? Please don't say Snus. My head may explode.

"I have found that ya have to want to quit and honestly want to or there will be no way to do it." - You've found this when? In all of your past successful quits? Other than the context, this is the first correct thing you've said.

"When I first posted here last spring I thought I wanted to quit but I didn't really." - Nic bitch is a tricky little thing.

"I wanted to quit but not enough that I was worring aboutv my health or anything. I said hell with it and started chewing again." - Oh... OK. What will happen after you've quit for a couple of months again and you're no longer worried about your health? Guess it'll be OK to go back cause you're no longer worried right?

"easy as pie if you want to." - 'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'

I once knew this guy Jerry, he used to work here. Older guy. Told me one day he threw away his pack of cigarettes and that was it. Never had one again. Was i don't know, 10 years quit at the time he told me that story.

True story.

I'm not going to piss on your theory. It can happen. But the statistics are against you. I used to be like that, anything I put my mind to i could do. And then I would get so pissed when I couldn't use that to quit dippin. Too hard.

Anyway, good luck. But I do believe you are playing with fire.

So this is the point where I just HAVE to ask....

If this is so easy and you are doing so fan-fucking-tastic, why are you here? Why post again today? Something must have spurred you in to action this morning.

bull-fucking-shit

you are either stupid or you are not a user, yes we all decided enough was enough but that is all you said that makes any sense to this addict

you mean you are so special that the quit was easy as pie?!? now you have a trophy can?!? you are giving yourself every excuse in the book to start using again if you ever used...141 days in and i am not cured, i am not special, i fight the sneaky little bitch everyday, i WANT to fucking use but i can't so don't post this shit in front of addicts...like chewie says u quit jack but give me the turkey...

'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'

You quit for two months so you think your quit? Stop it your making my sides hurt, I havent laughed that hard in months. I don't know where to start with you so I'm not even going to bother. However, one little gem you might want to think about is. The first person you need to stop lying to is probably yourself. Then you can deal with your"habit" from a realistic perspective. Until then :rolleyes: your just ridiculous.

Chief. Donate your brain to science like that amnesiac guy. We need to slice it into a million pieces and examine it in detail. The man who could not see his can of chew.

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with me it's more of a habit than an addiction.
---I tried to convince myself this was the case for the first few weeks I dipped/smoked. When I found myself thinking about buying a can, its an addiction. If you think about it constantly, its an addiction. If you physically go out of your way to get it, its an addiction. If you feel the need to use it, its a.....what? That's right, an addiction!

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I was the same way when I smoked. It was almost impossible to quit but after I made my mind up it was nothing. After my mind was made up I never wanted another smoke again. The chewing is going the same way. Never had a nicotine craving after quitting from either one. I honestly think it's all mental.
---Are you seriously going on a quitting help board and telling addicts, like all of us, that its not that hard? It is certainly NOT all mental. Nicotine is an extremely addictive substance. My friend who still smokes and has done every drug in the book (he's from LA :P) says quitting is harder than Heroin and Cocaine!

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With both things I had to find something to replace it and after that it was smooth going.
---I went through this stage as do many people. "I'll only smoke from now on. Oh wait, this is not the same as dip. I think I'll chew again but only a can." And so on. It doesn't work that way. Replacement isn't quitting and its just as dangerous. They mean it when they say "there is no safe cigarette". What helped me understand the dangers was the process of curing and spraying and all. Plus knowing what they put in Tobacco. I never had a class on dipping in school during our drug program. Cigarettes really were not covered well either. This was during a big Heroin epidemic of the early 90s so that, along with Marijuana, Cocaine, inhalants and PCP were what was covered. All I knew was that there was tar in cigarettes and that they make you cough.

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This is just me though, I'm sure everybody is different.
---Granted some people find it easier to quit than others and motivation and health play a big part. I have tumors all over my lip, along my jawline, floor of mouth, and on my tongue. I've only been quit for 9 days now but I honestly have no desire to ever do either again. I'm not trying to sound high and mighty or anything, I'm still an addict. I still feel the physical effects from a craving and I think about dip and cigarettes during the day. I still have the need but not the want. If that makes sense.

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When I say I will never chew again I mean it.
---That's great and I hope it works for you.

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I said the same thing about smoking two weeks after I quit.
---Just my opinion, but I would argue that you never had quit by switching.

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I have found that ya have to want to quit and honestly want to or there will be no way to do it.
---You really do need to want it but my "attempts" before always resulted in the Nicotine winning. Or rather, myself failing to control the physical desire.

When I first posted here last spring I thought I wanted to quit but I didn't really.
---I signed up last spring too and realized after a while that it wasn't going to work because I enjoyed it too much. If it was something I didn't physically enjoy, it would be easier.

I wanted to quit but not enough that I was worring aboutv my health or anything.
---You really should. I'm only 23 and I have lesions all over my jaw line, lip, tongue and base of my mouth. They are painful and sometimes bleed and they have been growing over the past couple months and spreading. I couldn't afford a doctor since my old job I got layed off and my new job's benefits don't kick in until this summer.
Fortunately, a friend of mine is in medicine and recognized this as possible carcinoma when I told him something didn't feel right. Not even two years of tobacco and its ruined much of my life (if you want some examples I have posted a thread in motivation forum). I finally can afford some basic tests now that I am receiving paychecks again. If that doesn't scare you straight, I had an irregular heart beat, tightness in my chest and felt lightheaded a couple weeks ago. I had to go to the E.R. and stayed overnight. Doctor said my blood pressure was extremely high and asked if I was on drugs. I told him dip, a little bit of beer once in a while and an occasional smoke. He said that even though I'm not in bad shape, this stuff can skyrocket your blood pressure. That was the first I had ever heard of that.

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I said hell with it and started chewing again. Then one morning I woke up and said no more and I haven't had a chew since. easy as pie if you want to.
---There is nothing as easy as pie about this. I'm glad you haven't relapsed for so long but addiction can be lifelong mentally if not physically. My grandfather hasn't smoked since the 1940's but he still gets a craving for a cigarette in the morning or after a meal. It isn't super intense like it is for someone who just quit, but it's always there I imagine.


Sorry that was so long, but it helps to talk about this kind of stuff. When I saw your post, I was immediately disgusted at you saying how easy it is to quit in front of us but I tried to just give you my perspective rather than ripping you.

'horsecrap' quit any way you can....just do it...... post roll everyday......everyday

What the fuck is wrong with you people? If you are having all this trouble then I would say you aren't ready to quit. If your not ready to quit then chew like hell because you are wasting your damn time. For you smartass people that act like retards on here let me make this simple you you may be able to understand. Chewing= bitch to quit if not ready to quit. Now read very slow! Sick of chewing because of gums bleeding and fear of oral cancer=quit chewing. It's not hard when you fear your life. Now you haters can blow me because I have quit and feel no need to chew again. My life is way more important than that shit in a can. Maybe you need to figure out what is more important. Hate all you want but when you get a scare like I did you will understand how easy it is to quit. Till then just shut up and keep chewing.

I was reading some more of your crap and yes it is easy to quit IF you fear for your health. I had all kinds of crazy shit in my mouth that hurt like hell and would bleed. Doctor told me to quit and told me to come back in two weeks because he said it possibly could be cancer. That scared the shit out of me so bad that I just quit and to my surprise I have not even wanted a chew since. Now yes when I tried to quit the 10 times before it was horrible. I felt like I was going crazy and always just gave in to the chew. So no it's not easy to quit unless you think you have cancer then you will be surprised how easy it is.
For the user below that said he was like 23 and has sores and bleeding well I was the same way and still chewed. You say you can't afford to go to the doctor well find a way to afford it. I'm sure cancer has crossed your mind because we all know the ricks of chewing. All it took was for a doctor to say possible start of cancer and the wake up call started. You were talking about smoking well I tried to quit that many times and failed also but once again a fear for my health is what it took to quit. It wasn't the fear of cancer but the horrible problem with my breathing. O2 levels were in the upper 80s and had to suck on a damn albuteral all day long to breath. Fear can be your friend with some things.
You guys with the attitude problem why don't you change your tampon and put forth your hatred to the chew, it's the enemy not me 'Crazy'

Oh the can I bought was the day after I quit. the second day was the worst. Oh and why in the fuck would I start back up after I have healed? It's not rocket science to figure out that the chew was the cause of all the bloody sores. I mean would you stick your head in a ball of fire again if you tried it once and burned the shit out of ya? Well I guess some people would but somebody with brains wouldn't.

Listen dufus, the answer to your question above is yes a million times yes. I have watched more people than I care to count cave after they have been quit and healed MUCH MUCH longer than you. Your running good right now cuz your coming off a scare, but your so over confident about it you WILL get complacent, Recently a guy caved after 500 plus days, a month back another one fell after 800 days. Wanna know why? In my opinion they forgot they were addicts. Wanna know sumptin else? so are you. I applaud your quit, but your over confident. Im no pussy weakling quitter either. I dipped 2 cans a day and could smoke a pack on top of that if the mood hit me. I was a full fledged nic addict. This shit is waaaaaay harder than you realize, and the fact that you don't know that yet means your not even close to understanding the depths of your own addiction. Just settle down a bit and stop announcing how awesome you are. Post roll til the Hof and then I'll tell you your awesome. In the mean time throw that fucking trophy can away, or at least piss in it.

and by the way a health scare won't be enough to keep you quit, I dipped on the way in and out of my biopsy. And before you call me stupid I am logging off to read Aristotle in latin because the German translation to english dilutes the meaning of the text. Were addicts not idiots.

Skoal Monster

I'm not special in any way but every person deals with things different. Did you just quit because you thought it would be best or for other reasons? No need to be a fuck stick about this. I am just happy with myself that I was able to quit as easy as I did because the times before were not so easy, that's why I failed. I think the longest I went was like one week and I was horrible every day. All I can tell you is that when a doctor says the word cancer it makes you freak the fuck out and tends to change your way of thinking

I feel if you keep in your mind that your an addict then you keep chewing in your mind. i feel the best thing to do is get chew out of your life even forgetting your an addict. Besides after seeing my ex boss smoke 5 packs every day and just quit the next makes me realize that it IS possible to just drop the habit. He has been about 10 years without smokes so it can be done. You people that say NO WAY IT CAN'T BE DONE don't know fucking shit! Just because you yourself have trouble and may not be able to do it doesn't mean everybody else is the same way. I guess I'm sorry that you are having trouble but I'm fuckin happy I'm not. Maybe it's possible that I never really was addicted to it. I only chewed a can a week if that and sometimes just one dip a day. I can see how a heavy chewer would have a major addiction. I don't give a shit what you think or your opinion since your a guy with an attitude or a cob up your ass or something. I kinda find your hatred amusing

dude i've fucking died before, don't talk to me about scared

hypertrophic cardiomyopathy
open heart surgery
implanted defibrilators
evaluated for a heart transplant

all before i was 25...now i am 40, hell i figured my heart would give out before i could develop cancer so why stop. if you read the hof speeches on the site and actively participated then you'd know what "had enough means"

i am glad you're quit but you don't come in our house and tell us how fucking easy it was for your fucking sixth post

no hatred, just a disagreement. I think remembering your an addict keeps you quit.
My question to you twinkle toes is this. Are you currently cold turkey from nicotine?
In all forms?
Chewie asked you that and you didn't reply.

If you are then good for you, keep it up. I'm not saying its impossible to quit, or even that you can't do it YOUR way. I am saying I've seen more people fail doing it "your" way than not.

SM

well if death won't make you quit then you sir are fucked up. So cry me a fuckin river. If your so damn sick with all these problem then maybe you should get your head out of your ass and figure out what to do to make your life better. If you don't care about your life then I'm sure nobody else does either. Rather than tryin to get everybody to feel sorry for ya with all your problems maybe you should take that energy and put it in to fixing your problem. Bitching about it gets you nowhere. Oh and I've been through hell myself from the age of 9 up to 16 years of age so shut your hole and deal with it. I had to and I don't start listing all the problems hoping to get people to feel sorry for me.

Yes sir I am. I just chew on Eclipse spearmint gum since the worse habit for me was not having something to taste and chew on. It has worked great for me. I hate sounding like a dick but some of you guys started it. No need to act like you hate the world. I can't tell you all why it wasn't that hard for me but it really way. I wish you all could quit just as easy. I'
m sure some of you have. Like I said I didn't chew very much so possibly I really wasn't addicted to the nicotine but more the habit, who knows.

This is one strange thread. On the one hand, you have some of the most respected, experienced quitters on this site coming in to offer hard earned experience and advice. On the other, you have the man with the better mousetrap.

vette: I think everyone is sincerly glad that you are quit and hope that you stay that way. What doesn't make sense is why you came back to tell us about it and explain how the tried and true ktc method is really just weakness and lack of willpower. What is the point?

you my friend are an absolute and total asshole...just keep doing what you are doing and stay quit....write a fucking book about your incredible mind over matter quitting technique and when it reaches the best seller list write back...everyone here has health stories and they somehow didn't quit or needed help to quit, you apparently didn't, good for you now get the fuck out of our house...

mvvette, If you have it all figured out then maybe it is best for you to move on from this site.

I have a lot of respect for this site, what it stands for, but mostly for the people on it. The people that you are insulting are people I credit for helping me save my own life. These people have been here long enough to see guys with your same attitude come and go, but mostly go in failure or just fade away in shame.

99.9% of the people that come to this site need help quitting. If you do not, great but do not act like you have it all figured out because you do not.

I dipped for 13 years and quit cold turkey because I was getting painful sores in my mouth and that scared the shit out of me. I was over 7 years (that is 2555+ days) quit and I decided that I had been quit for so long that I could not possibly be addicted anymore. I could handle just one, right? Well, that was 3 1/2 years ago. I have been nic free for 97 days now and all I KNOW is I will not take nic into my body in any form TODAY.

Quitting can be easier for some people than others, but for you to act like you "know" you are done with nic for the rest of your life is just arrogant and ignorant. You are an addict today, tomorrow and for the rest of your life. There will come a time when you will forget how bad it was and how hard all of this can be. If your mind is not right you will fail.

I do not know you and I hope the best for you but I have to be honest with you. You sound like I did when I was a teenager, when I had it all figured out and my way, and my way only was the right way. People who had been here done that in life tried to tell me the way the world works but since I know it all I did not listen to them. Well I should have and so should you. These people know more than you do. We all take this issue very seriously and very personal and we are trying to help you, so shut the fuck up and listen it may save your life.

Word.

It's great that you can quit like that. But before you think you really have it all figured out and it is so easy why don't you send JW (Jason Williams) a PM and ask him what that lackadasical fucking attitude gets you. Then again, if it was really that easy you woulda stayed quit the first fucking time.

I gotta run my BULLSHIT DETECTOR is ringing off the wall! :angry: .