Tired of this shit.

I hear ya, one day I dont even think about it, the next Im sick of the fact that it even crosses my mind. Hang tough

Hang in there bro'. You're kicking ass. Nobody said this would be easy. There will be a day in the future where the thought of tobacco doesn't exist. It takes time. I'm in the same spot as you.

You have been here longer than me, and given me encouragement. So know this motherfucker, you miss roll call one day, you wont see me make roll call the next. Hang tough. Failure is not an option....its a fucking domino effect.

Hang tough I had a bad weekend also but it aint going to win.

Hey guys you are just going through a normal phase that will pass!!!! This was taken from 7iron's HOF speech, it really helped me when I was in my second month. Hope it helps you also!!!!!!!




To those of you currently in your second month:

Congratulations on a month free of tobacco. You should be proud of yourself for you have fought hard and succeeded at doing something few have attempted and even fewer have accomplished. Do not lose focus and do not let your guard down. You cannot coast, but you can draw strength from the success of the first month and allow that confidence to propel you into the second.

I should also warn you that many have experienced a boredom phase during the second month. I hit the bored stretch right at 50 days. Something changed in the life of my quit where I just got tired of everything. Tired of reading, tired of posting, tired of thinking, tired of quitting ... I just ran out of steam. I started to really struggle and had a “is this really worth it?” attitude. "Perhaps a short hiatus from this quit - get my mind and my life settled a bit, then I'll start again." Part of me just wanted to give in and go back to the can. Lots of lies were being told within the confines of my mind, but I recognized them as lies. The truth remained that I was better off without tobacco. I KNEW I was - I really did, but my mind kept trying to play tricks on me.

You see, during the first 30 days, each day is tough for its own reasons, but it's like we have a real enemy to wage war against. There is "fuel" to keep us fighting and staying motivated is relatively easy.

Where are you in your quit? 30, 40, 50 days? This has been hard ... THE hardest thing you've ever done, right? Certainly you are tired, exhausted. You have every right to be. This is hard, demanding work. You get no breaks - you must continue to fight ... every day, morning, noon and night through every trigger, every stress and all the boredom. Everything you used to do, your entire life, involved tobacco. It made boring tasks bearable. It helped perk you up when you were groggy. It helped calm you down when you were stressed. It made the good times more enjoyable.

Lies, lies, lies ... and you believed them ... all of them.

Now you know better, but you have been conditioned for so long ... 10, 20, 30 years or more. It is going to take time brothers. The last 30, 40 or 50 days seem like a lifetime. I know. I went through it too.

In order to get through this boredom phase you need to keep your quit alive. Remember why you quit. Remember what tobacco has taken from you. Your health, your money, time away from your friends and family, your self respect, peace of mind ... the list goes on. Doesn't that piss you off? It should!!!!

Use that to keep your quit alive. It is important that you remember the difficulties of quitting. You need to make sure that the pain and heartache you are currently experiencing are never forgotten. Our minds, over time, have a way of softening the hard edges. There is nothing soft or easy about quitting smokeless tobacco. Commit to memory the agony of these first few weeks.

That being said, the first month probably felt like three. I remember constantly looking at my watch wondering how time could possibly be going so slow. It is important that you also recognize this principle ... "every step away from tobacco is one step closer to freedom." You need to simply put some distance between yourself and your past associations with snuff. Build dip free memories and by so doing, you will be breaking the strings that tie you to your tobacco past.

This is an important one too ... "the only thing tobacco is good for, is keeping you addicted to tobacco!" You need to realize that you simply do not need tobacco. It will not make you a better athlete, business person, sibling or parent. It may seem like it helps you, but all it really will do is elevate your blood pressure, raise your heart rate, make you more prone to anxiety and increase your risk of cancer.

Also, there are lots of new quitters joining every day. Remember your first week? They could use some help, an encouraging word, someone to let them know that their experiences are normal and understandable. Lending a hand to a brother or sister in need will help keep your quit at front and center.

Scooter, lol, that post sorta sums it all up for me. But it's coupled with a bunch of other personal challenges right now. I'm just sorta of blah right now.

I realize the shit in my life would probably lead me back to dippin if not for this site, that's why I felt like posting a little call for help today.

In reality, actually not dippin tobacco is the best thing goin' on in my life right now. I feel really good about it.

On the other hand, I've kinda felt like throwin' in the towel and just saying fuck it, life sucks, might as well dip.

I'm OK. Dip is for losers.

Thanks to everyone else too.

I'm here for you all too. But I just think I may need to step it back a little for at least a a little while.

Glenn...I am with you. I am tired of just about every goddamn thing I can see, hear or think about. And also like you, I have some personal issues weighing me down.

You know what's worst about it? I picture myself dipping, and I don't like the idea of it. I feel like I wouldn't LIKE dipping. I feel like it wouldn't help my overall situation. In turn, I feel helpless. i.e., If dip won't help, WTF will? I feel - in a word - fucked.

I have to leave town this afternoon. The only things I am not tired of - my wife and little guy - will be left behind. It makes this quit even more difficult. Like, I'll dip today, so I can be happy until I can get home and be TRULY happy.

Know what else? The last time I quit, for any length of time, was three years ago. I left town, on a business trip. I was quit four, maybe five weeks. I caved.

Granted, things were a bit different three years ago. I didn't really want to quit then. I do now. However, how much stress can my brain take before I take control of the only thing I CAN control (dipping)? How long until I snap and eat four tins in an afternoon.

I am saying that I am afraid of that stress. I have never dealt with mega-stress without tobacco. Ever.

But I am not going to dip. That would be very, very stupid, and it wouldn't help one iota.

All of you guys can suck my dick.

Could you?

Please?

It gets better guys.

I think it was about a month into my quit when I wrote the following journal entry: "I feel like I'm running out of the extra energy it takes to be artificially nice to people when I really just want to break things." I ran out of the new-quitter enthusiasm before my system was really stabilized; it sounds like you are going through the same thing. Keep in mind that it WILL GET BETTER. Even though it may seem like forever, it is worth it.

I haven't done the over night business trip yet since my quit.

Wow, that would be tough.

Since I met my fiance, I gave up Spankervision on the road, many years ago, so I guess I could give up dip.

Dean, just go for the 1 of 2. I know you can't live without Spankervision.

But yeah, I've been picturing myself dipping lately. Not that I am close, I'm not, but I'm just in the "fuck it" kind of mood.

I'm not caving, I would let alot of people down including myself, most of all.

i guess that's the power of this site. Dummies like us can get on here and rage and actually be understood.

Have a good trip. I'll be at your house watching your wife for you.

I can unequivocally tell you that IT DOES GET BETTER! I can't tell you exactly when, but I can tell you that it does.

If you're like I was, you're at the point where you KNOW you're done, but you're just sick of dealing with it.... You're sick of quitting, you're sick of the site, sick of posting roll, sick of fake dip, sick of seeds, sick of quitting, etc. Not that you're thinking of caving, but you're just SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of dealing with dip. I've got good news and bad news. I was exactly right there. That's it... it's both the good news and the bad.

It's good cause if you're like me and you're experiencing all of those things, then you'll ALSO be like me and get away from all of those feelings. For me it wasn't a single defining moment where I stopped thinking of dip in the "I'm quitting" terms and moved over to a "I've already quit" mindframe. That's not to say that I don't struggle and have a bad day now and again cause I absolutely do, but my bad days now are pretty few and far between and are getting less and less intense and i get further into my quit.

It's bad cause again, if you're like me, dip will always be a part of your life. Not an active part, but it's there - in the back of your mind. The nic bitch is always there and will continue to be there. I've been thinking about just this point quite a bit lately. I've been trying to reconcile the fact that I'll always be an addict. If you look at it in those terms, it can be pretty overwhelming... so I don't.

Here's how I deal with craves, bad days, bad thoughts, etc. these days when it pertains to dip.

1. I tell myself that if the WORST i'm dealing with is a crave every couple of weeks for a couple of days -- that's a hell of a lot better than dealing with cancer.
2. I tell myself that if dealing with bit of nic rage every now and again is better than leaving my wife and son alone without dad and hubby.
3. I tell myself that I AM IN CONTROL of my own destiny at this point -- we've beaten our addiction. We CHOOSE whether or not to have a dip. We CHOOSE whether or not to go back to the can, and we CHOOSE the way we deal with our ongoing battles. In my eyes that incredible power

If you're looking for advice here's the best I can do... continue to do what you've been doing.

* Use the site.
* Talk to your brothers.
* Remember why you're here in the first place.
* Don't feel that just cause someone else is doing well you can't post about a struggle.
* Remember how far you've come.

Check out my HOF Creed - http://cohesive.killthecan.org/creed/ - and give it a once over. if my words don't help, come up with your own... but don't EVER underestimate how far you've come.

No matter how bad you feel right now, I can almost guarantee that you feel better NOW than you did during your first or second week. And here's a GREAT thing about that fact... you're never going back my friends. You've made it over that hurdle.

http://www.killthecan.org/facts/cravesforever.asp

dude stick it out,,, im day67............and shit is getting smooth..... though im no dumby, i know not to fuck with any dip at all...... but the nice part is i dont want to dip...


fukukodiak

dean u motherfucker,,,,,,,,,,,,

u dont dip asshole!!!!!!!!!


















fukukodiak.

We all are. Very tired.

Dude...that's fucking great. Thanks for the laugh.

I ain't caving, you ain't caving...no motherfucker here is caving. We are just raging and freaking.

You can have my wife for fifteen dollars.

Bear: I AM a motherfucker. But I am not caving.

Chewie: Sage advice, as always. Many thanks.

So approaching the HOF I went back and read this thread and some older posts and realized how far we have come and how many battles we have fought.

Last Friday, took my kid to a football camp at Rutgers. There I am sitting in the stadium with a few other parents scattered about. No work, sun shining. No one around me, the whole stadium practically to myself. That would have in the past been such a glorious time to dip. Me and the can, the whole day. Watchin a little football, no one bothering me. Of course, my breath would have stunk, my fingers stained, my gums white, and I would have been a loser. I didn't cave that day, but in the past I would have been so pissed to sit there like that with no dip.

Couple of days before that, sat in a meeting with HS football coach going over his playbook. That mother fucker musta had 3-4 garbage cans scattered about to spit in. I wasn't jealous. I was sickened. That used to be me!

Saw the cleaning crew here one night not too long ago at the office. Nice older couple. You know, like old time biker people, but nice as shit. Guy's like, wtf (well I dont think he cursed) your garbage cans are so clean now. What a fucking disgusting pig I was.

Disgusting. All u guys just starting out, don't cave. Life is sooooooooo good without that shit.

alright that's it for now, fuck you all.

Hell yeh glenn....
I took the cunts advice, and held of on reading my intro posts... I've been flipping through them, and jesusfuckingchrist, was a a fuckin wakadoo mental case????

Like I've always said... Fuckyoukodiak

Unlike alot of guys on here, I haven't had to face dip head on in the last 100 or so days. I'm not an outdoorsman, I don't hang out too much with other dudes anymore whether it's for poker, fishing, softball, or drinking, so that part has been easier than alot.

There have been a few times lately that I have come face to face with dip.

First was last week at football camp. Seeing one of them NFL dudes, spit in front of those kids, made me realize how stupid I was for all those years. How weak do you have to be to not be able to stop in front of children?

Tonight, we had a coaches meeting at the Elks for the upcoming season. Right before the meeting, one dude walked by me and I could smell the dip. Could never forget that smell. Later on, out at the bar, walked up to a bunch of Flag coaches just talking and drinking. There's that dude, spitting into a little Poland Spring bottle.

Told him about my history of dip and how I was quit 106 days. He said he's almost ready to quit. I say that's cool, I ain't gonna preach to you but gave him the web address.

The bottom line. He looked really stupid standing there hiding his little Poland Spring bottle spitting into it. I think that's good. Spitting and dipping is starting to look really faggy to me.

Gave him this address. Dude if u are reading this, the time to quit is now.

feels cool to turn the corner a little doesn't it?.....

I remember one of my major aha moments around 120 or so days into my quit at the ACC Baseball tourney in Jax in 08. It was the first time i saw my addiction for the ugly and socially nasty habit it is.

I was there with my son.....and realized wow....i always put my addiction ahead of social properness...hell, i dipped when i coached, cooked, worked, went to movies, played sports, hunted, fished....in front of kids, customers, women, strangers....

anywhere and all the time.

I remember feeling embarassed for the first time for all the times i shoulda been embarassed...

fuck you cope you nasty assed harlot. 'Finger'

sometimes it's just the little things...

how fucking great is it not to have to worry about applying for life insurance anymore? nurse is coming to the office next week and I don't even have to have anyone standing by in the bathroom to give me urine.

life is good.

watch, though, they'll find out i'm dying from some disease. just my luck...

Went up to this guy i sorta know - owns a restaurant in town - a while ago i had complimented him on the fact that he quit smoking. i was so envious and jealous at the time, cause i was still dipping back then like crazy.

so i told him i finally quit dipping - 6 months in fact.

He's like, yeah "almost 3 years for me." I'm like "wow that long already huh?"

So he tells me that he still has craves and ALWAYS carries around his nicotine gum. Uses it everyday.

THREE fucking years of nicotine gum?

and THAT'S why WE are all hardcore quitters...

The reason he craves is cause he caves... every time he chews a piece.

Bad asses up in here!

Yeah, I remember mixing Grizzly with the herbal. 50/50 meant I could chew twice as much and pat myself on the back for taking an important step in the quitting process.

Addicts are fucking morons. At least I can recognize it now....